As a deist, this is my personal take on why evil truly exists.
So, I like to watch debates between atheists and theists. I am a deist, so I believe that God does not intervene in the any human affairs.
Christians do, Muslims do, Jewish people do, other religions that believe in multiple Gods’ do. I do not believe that God, the ultimate facilitator of all existence, that’s my definition; intervenes with daily things.
I don’t think he answers prayers, he doesn’t fix amputees.
I have people in my family with personal experiences that you could say were miraculous but none of them violate the laws of nature. But they are miraculous in the sense that they are not mathematically possible, or they are hallucinations, but I do not disbelieve what they said.
One of the things that I see between atheists and theists, “what is the hardest question to ask as a Christian?” and they say “the problem with evil.”
I think this is the easiest problem to come up with an answer, it is a necessity because of the material world. The material world is not infinite, something created it. And I believe that it is a higher intelligence that facilitates all existence; Atheists say that it is from natural causes and Christians would say God. This is similar to me except their God intervenes and they have given it attributes of benevolence, and all-knowing, omnipotence, he is omniscient, he knows everything; he is all-powerful.
He is all-good
These are the issues. You don’t even know who he is and you are going to start giving him attributes because he apparently sent himself down as himself, as the Christ figure.
So of course, you are going to have all these problems now because you are giving him attributes. As a Deist, I could say God must be more powerful than his; he must be. He must be powerful enough to create the universe. He must be smarter than everyone; it is just implicated when you look at things.
When you look at a watch, when you think of the watchmaker; you must think that he is more intelligent than the watch.
He designed it.
He put time into it.
It took intelligence and the watch isn’t even smart; it is not even alive. Dealing with human beings, why is their evil, because God cannot intervene because of the contract; if he gave us this free will that we have. It is impossible for him, because if he intervenes then we would not have free will; so, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that I am going to pray to God and he is going to change my life; when it is all up to you. So, the Christian has a very difficult conundrum because they must explain that they have an all-knowing, all-powerful God and when they look at the world and says there are rapes, killings, ISIS, people being lit on fire, people who torture animals, kill children, and rape babies even; and they think how do I stop this. Well, they don’t have an answer to that.
Or, they might say that Satan is doing it or that he tempts people; scapegoat.
If God is omnibenevolent, all-knowing, omniscient, these are terms that people gave him.
Even Christ, if he’s real, people say that he was at least a real person in history; I’ll go with that.
He may have been a very wise person like Socrates. The things that he was saying, were so true that they seemed divine. If I give you the truth, I think that it is in of itself “supernaturally divine.” because it is beautiful, it is self-evident. I mean, the science that we do cannot even tell you what truth is. In fact, atheists would say that the truth is arbitrary, morality is arbitrary, we decide what the truth is.
No, we discover the truth.
So, without digressing, if you believe Jesus Christ is God and he said these things then you have a problem. Because God is all just and mighty, and then he floods the planet, he does all these things that contradict these attributes of him. As a Deist, everything I say makes total sense to me.
God does not intervene. If there was a flood, then it was a natural disaster, it had nothing to do with him; it is just part of things evolving.
Evolution is not pretty. Natural selection could happen on a massive scale. There could have been a flood that killed a lot of people and they were not smart enough to climb the mountains; and they died.
There could have been a lot of things, disease, is that evil?
What is evil?
Does it only apply to human beings?
Is it intentionally hurting people for sick reasons? That is what I think evil is.
In a philosophical way, evil is suffering. But suffering must exist in a material world that is finite. There is going to be chaos and destruction. I am not going to live forever I am 32 years old and I am very healthy right now; but I am going to die. My grandfather lived to like 88 or something, it took him 7 years to die from Alzheimer’s. Not a nice way to go, but he was peaceful.
7 years of vegetable, just sitting there deteriorating. Look at Stephen Hawking, look at him, sitting in a chair, deteriorating slowly til’ eventually he will die.
What kind of God would do that?
Well, no God would do that! That is the point, he made creations that are not eternal, they will die, there will be suffering; cells will stop dividing properly. They will mutate, even cause cancer, this is a part of the material world; it is not infinite, it is finite, there will be destruction. There will also be creation.
Back and forth, so, evil is just a term that describes destruction or chaos.
But I think God has nothing to do with all of this. The reason God is “good” is because he created life from the beginning. He created everything.
But his creation is not infinite, it is not perfect.
So, it cannot be without suffering.
And the reason evil exists because it must by necessity, because you have free will otherwise God would create robots. Can a robot do evil? No, unless you program it to.
If you made a killer terminator, that kills human beings and you let it loose in the streets, it could do evil because you programmed it tom but it has no will of its own.
So, if God made life, which I believe he did, he gave us logic and reason and freewill; which I believe he did. Evil is a necessity because we can choose to do it and we can choose to do good. If you don’t have evil then you do not know what good is. You do not know what it is.
It is impossible to have just good. I do not even think God is just good. And what does good mean? I could be a good man but I can do evil things to prevent my family from being killed. You would say “That’s okay Angelo because you fought in self-defense”, but I still killed human beings.
Is evil always good in that regard; by self-defense?
It is perspective. You see, we create these things. I do believe there is an ultimate truth, truth is self-evident. I think God upholds the truth. He is the facilitator of all things, including the truth. Is there a supernatural morality, I believe there is.
But we can only find it because there is evil in this world.
I don’t know if anyone would agree on torturing little children; of course psychopaths would disagree and say that it is wonderful to do that because they are sick. They are crazy, they are not normal and that is because they choose it. Because there is something wrong with them genetically and mentally, but they choose to do it. They take pleasure in it, some of these people. They like doing it. They choose it because they are choosing evil. They are not choosing good. Someone could have these temptations of very sick thinking.
So, ultimately evil exists because we have free will and we live in a material universe that will go away; it is not infinite. It cannot be infinite because it had a beginning 14.5 billion years ago and now it is still expanding and eventually it is supposed to expand until it freezes. This would stop time, because time is calculated by motion and it’s over.
So, evil and good are just things that we see from our perspective, it is almost like “good is in the eye of the beholder”. It is really perspective, our perception of the world.
And I think the ultimate good and the ultimate evil exist because we live in this world that is finite and we have free will. If we had no free will and God made us like robots we would not do anything other than what he made us do. If he made us do good we wouldn’t need evil.
The only evil would be the fact that we would eventually deteriorate, we would rust away. We would be made out of metal we would do what he said.
From what I understand, in the Christian belief, angels have no free will but then Satan chose to rebel against him so it is a contradicting story, so I don’t buy it.
From my perspective, God does not intervene in human affairs. It doesn’t mean he is evil, he could stop it but that doesn’t mean he would because it would break the contract of his creation. He has to violate what he has done. I think that the greatest thing he give us was self-reliance, reason, logic, I think he wants us to go about it ourselves. That is what I believe.
I don’t think he is going to hold our hand, I think life could be a test and he have to do it ourselves.
I take this view and I look at my son, I do not want my son to worship me. I want my son to be better than me. I want him to go to school, and I want him to have a better life than me. I don’t want him to kneel down before me, “Dad, I love you and please don’t burn me in a fire if I disobey you.”
And my son will rebel against me; I’m sure as a teenager he is going to scream at me and yell, who knows what he is going to do?
Is he only 11-months at this time and is going to turn one in a few days. But, I don’t want my son to worship me, and I gave my son free will to do what he wants. I mean he is a little baby right now, but eventually he will grow older as a man and he will want to do different things and I cannot stop him.
I could say “don’t do that, it’s going to hurt you”, and he says “I don’t care”, and he gets hurt. I would say “I told you”, but he had to learn the hard way. So, if you expand that to a cosmic level, and the creator gave us free will.
Well, it is kind of like my son getting hurt; he had to learn that he did it wrong because he is stubborn.
God doesn’t talk to us, I don’t think so. Some people say that they do talk to God and I don’t believe it, or maybe I do, I don’t know.
But, I do not believe he intervenes, therefore he does not speak to us.
But, I think he gave us reason and logic to read his work of nature and find his laws of gravity. I will know if I die, that I will jump off of a building without a parachute, 100%. There is no question, every human being knows that if they jump off a cliff then they are dead without a parachute, end of story.
That speaks to everyone, it doesn’t matter how you communicate, everyone knows that.
And I think that is how we can discover how God is speaking to us, he speaks through his works. Actions are louder than words, well he created all of these laws that we have to discover.
And he did not make us all-knowing because then we would not have a purpose if we knew everything.
And how do we know that he is all-knowing?
I don’t know if God knows where we are going to go.
I don’t know if he knows what we are going to do.
This “all-knowing”, thing is another attribute that we give God that we don’t know is true.
If I was God, I would not want to know everything, why would he create us if he knew everything?
What kind of existence is that?
Why would God want to know the future?
Is the future even knowable, does it even exist?
Because God is timeless, to many people they claim, doesn’t mean he knows the future.
The future does not exist. How can God know something that does not exist? It is unravelling right now, as I speak; the future is happening now. Every time I speak, something new is going on. How can he know all of this? How can he know everything? I don’t believe he does. I don’t think it makes him any less of a God.
These are human attributes.
He just has to be more powerful than his creation, and it seems that he is. But I digress again ladies and gentlemen. I believe that evil simply exists in this world because it has to exist in a material realm that is finite and not eternally made because we do not make it.
We are in it, we are in this simulation, this experiment probably, and I think the creator wants to see what we will do with it. He may be watching or he may not be; and if he is watching, then he is watching just like a scientist would watch a mouse go through an obstacle course to find the cheese.
And this does not make God evil, but it makes it so he wants to learn about his creations. And we should be working on finding the truths about ourselves rather than worrying about what he is doing because we have no way of controlling him and we have no way of ever knowing him.
But we can look at the world, look at his creations, which are beautiful, and there is nothing perfect in nature. Meaning that there is no triangle that is perfect; there is no form that is literally perfect. We can’t even make them, even though we can make things, microscopically there is always a deformity.
I think it is beautiful to know that we do not come from nothing like an atheist would claim.
Which is a stupid claim honestly.
Ultimately, I believe that there is an intelligence and the reason why evil exists is because it must exist in a world of matter, chaos, destruction, and creation. And we have free will, and because of that free will we can choose things that are evil, to destroy, or we can be loving and create, and do other create things.
I don’t think that is a very hard question at all.
Christian’s need to realize that maybe their description of God is human and they don’t know what it is. Thank you